Matthew M., an AA speaker, opens up about the God problem he brought into the roomsβshaped by years of Catholic school and nuns who preached hellfire for teenage thoughts. In this AA speaker tape, he recounts getting to Step 5 in early sobriety and discovering he’d been “fooled into wanting to do a Fifth Step” by the enthusiasm around him in the meetings.
Matthew M. describes his complicated relationship with God that carried into early recovery, rooted in Catholic school teachings that made him believe God hated him. He talks about discovering the 11th Step and how social pressure at meetings led him to pursue his Fifth Step before he was ready. The talk explores how early sobriety enthusiasm can push us toward steps we haven’t actually committed to doing.
Episode Summary
Matthew M. walks into his second AA meeting still carrying the weight of Catholic schoolβspecifically the terror instilled by nuns in black robes who made him believe that thinking about sex as a teenager meant burning in hell. By 14, he’d already internalized the message that God wasn’t just watching; God hated him. When he lands in recovery, he discovers Step 11, which asks him to pray for knowledge of God’s will. But there’s a problem: his version of God is still the angry, punishing God of his childhood.
What makes this talk so honest is how Matthew M. describes getting swept up in the energy of early meetings. The second meeting he attends is one where they don’t celebrate sobriety birthdaysβthey celebrate Fifth Steps. Every week. It becomes this celebrated milestone, this big deal, and Matthew finds himself caught up in it. He describes the experience with humor and self-awareness: he got “fooled into wanting to do a Fifth Step” because everyone around him was doing them, and it seemed like that’s just what you did in recovery.
The trap is real. In early sobriety, especially in the first few weeks and months, there’s enormous social pressure in the fellowship to move through the steps. Meetings have energy. Other members are excited about your recovery. And if your home group celebrates Fifth Steps like birthdays, there’s an implicit message: this is what we do here, this is the milestone we mark. Matthew describes falling into that current without questioning whether he was actually ready, whether he actually understood what the Fifth Step was meant to do, or whether his relationship with God had shifted enough to make confession meaningful.
What’s particularly striking is his willingness to name the God problem head-on. Recovery asks us to develop a relationship with a Higher Power, but if your only template for “higher power” is a punishing God from Catholic school, that’s not a small issue to work through. Matthew doesn’t minimize that. He sits with the discomfort of itβthe contradiction between what AA is asking him to do spiritually and what his nervous system learned to fear when he was a kid.
The humor in how he tells itβ”Geez, it’s going to be crowded cuz all we ever talk about is sex”βkeeps the talk grounded and real. This isn’t a lecture on theology or a therapy session about religious trauma. It’s one guy describing what actually happened in his early sobriety: the collision between his past and the program, and how he navigated trying to move forward while still carrying all that baggage.
For anyone struggling with God or a Higher Power in recovery, especially those with religious trauma or a complicated past with faith, this talk offers permission to slow down and do the actual work instead of just going through the motions because the group is doing it.
Notable Quotes
I had a real problem with God when I got here because I went to Catholic school. I was raised by the witches of God, nuns, they wear scary black outfits.
If you’re even thinking about sex, you’re going to hell.” And I went, “Oh my god.” I thought I was going to hell. I believed Sister Dennis Anne.
I got fooled into wanting to do a fifth step because I thought everybody did them.
When I got here, I thought God hated me.
Topics Covered in This Transcript
- Step 5 β Admission
- Step 2 β Higher Power
- Early Sobriety
- Spiritual Awakening
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Couple things that happened in early sobriety. I always try to honor a little deal I made with God. Well, one of the thing I should tell you is I had a real problem with God when I got here because I went to Catholic school.
I was raised by the witches of God, nuns, they wear scary black outfits. You right? They're otherworldly.
I remember when I was 14, I was president of the class of my eighth grade class and I'm sitting in the front row and Sister Dennis Anne who used to rock the podium because she was so tightly wound and she goes, "If you're even thinking about sex, you're going to hell." And I went, "Oh my god." And then I looked around and thought, "Geez, it's going to be crowded cuz all we ever talk about is sex." And sometimes when I brush my teeth and forget to think about it, but I'm 14 for God's sake. I got all these hormones and I think I'm going to hell. I believed Sister Dennis Anne.
So when I got here, I thought God hated me. And there was the 11 step. And the 11th step says prayed only for knowledge of God's will for me and the power to carry that out.
Now I was doing these steps. I was really doing them. I went to a meeting where you didn't celebrate birthdays.
You celebrated fifth steps. I was the second meeting I went to in Alcoholics Anonymous. I went every week.
It was so cool. I got fooled into wanting to do a fifth step because I thought everybody did them.


