Wayne B., a self-described “little Christian boy” who grew up in an alcoholic home, struggled with one of the most misunderstood chapters in the Big Book. In this AA speaker tape, he talks about how he almost skipped “We Agnostics” entirely—and nearly sabotaged his recovery in the process—until his sponsor helped him understand what Bill W. actually meant by the chapter’s title.
Wayne B., an AA speaker, explains how he misread the “We Agnostics” chapter in the Big Book and almost skipped it because he believed in God. His sponsor clarified that “agnostic” in the chapter doesn’t mean the reader themselves is agnostic, but rather describes the mental state of feeling and thinking like an agnostic while still believing in God. Wayne connects this misunderstanding to the broader principle that half-measuring the program leads to half-measuring recovery.
Episode Summary
Wayne B. opens with a story about growing up as what he calls “Lil Wayne”—a nickname that stuck until a famous rapper hijacked it. But the real story here isn’t about the name. It’s about how he nearly derailed his recovery by misreading one chapter in the Big Book.
Wayne was raised in an alcoholic home. He got diagnosed with psychiatric issues at age nine and struggled with the identity of being an “alcoholic” versus being “neurotic”—a distinction he read about in the literature, which states that children raised in alcoholic homes tend to turn out neurotic. He was on the “more side” of neurotic, and riding around with a fellow member made him feel better about himself. So he wanted to “become alcoholic real quick” to escape that neurotic label.
When his sponsor asked him to read the Big Book, Wayne got to chapter four and saw the title of chapter five: “We Agnostics.” He made a split-second decision. I’m not agnostic, he thought. I’m a Christian. I go to church. So he skipped it entirely and jumped to chapter six, “How It Works.”
But here’s the trap: if you’re not convinced you’re an alcoholic, and you skip around in the Big Book, you’ll half-measure everything that comes after. You won’t have a solid foundation. You won’t be truly convinced of your need for recovery, which means you won’t work the program with full commitment.
Wayne kept halfheartedly trying to work the steps while holding back, and at some point his sponsor confronted him. The sponsor explained what the chapter title actually means: “He doesn’t mean you’re agnostic. He means you feel and think like that while you believe in God.” That statement stunned Wayne. It was a moment of clarity about how easy it is to misunderstand recovery literature and how those misunderstandings can become barriers to real change.
The chapter “We Agnostics” is written to people who have the feeling or thought pattern of an agnostic—who struggle to believe, who doubt, who intellectualize—not to people who have actually rejected God. It’s about the mental state, not the declared belief. Once Wayne understood that, the entire chapter became relevant to him. It wasn’t telling him he had the wrong beliefs; it was addressing the part of him that wanted to negotiate, intellectualize, and avoid full surrender.
This AA speaker tape is a masterclass in how small misreadings can become big obstacles, and how sponsorship means sometimes having someone redirect you back to the material. It’s also a reminder that the Big Book wasn’t written to exclude believers—it was written to meet people where their minds and hearts actually are, even if their theology is solid.
Notable Quotes
I’m not agnostic with chapter five. The problem with that is going to how it works before I’m convinced I’m an alcoholic means I’ll probably half measure everything after that.
He doesn’t mean you’re agnostic. He means you feel and think like that while you believe in God. And that stunned me.
I was raised in an alcoholic home. Bill wrote in our literature that any child raised in an alcoholic home is bound to turn out to be more or less neurotic. I’m on the more side.
Topics Covered in This Transcript
- Step 2 – Higher Power
- Big Book Study
- Denial
- Willingness
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and my sponsor who appointed himself asked me to read the book. So I got to chapter 4, the title We Agnostics. I'm not.
I'm a little Christian boy that went to church every Sunday. Little Wayne, they nicknamed me Lil Wayne. I heard someone hijack that name.
And so when I read we agnostics, I just did what many of us do. I thought I'm not agnostic with chapter five. The problem with that is going to how it works before I'm convinced I'm an alcoholic means I'll probably half measure everything after that because I'm not convinced.
I wasn't convinced that this level that I'm truly alcoholic because after all I started getting diagnosed psychiatrically at the age of nine. I was raised in an alcoholic home. Many of you understand that.
Bill wrote in our literature that any child raised in an alcoholic home is bound to turn out to be more or less neurotic. I'm on the more side, but riding with Jason made me feel better about myself. So, I want to become alcoholic real quick so I can dispense with that.
And here it is. I finally went back and read that chapter because my sponsor said, "He doesn't mean you're agnostic. It he means you feel and think like that while you believe in God." And that stunned me.


