I Wasn’t an Alcoholic Because I Drank Too Much — I Never Got Enough: AA Speaker – Glynn W. – Memp…
AA speaker Glynn W. from Memphis shares his story of resentment, chaos, and discovery that he’s an alcoholic because he could never get enough—not because he drank too much.
Glynn W. from Memphis, Tennessee didn’t grow up thinking he was an alcoholic. His conception of one was a homeless man pushing a shopping cart under a bridge—not a kid with chaotic family trauma and an obsession that would haunt him for decades. In this AA speaker tape, Glynn walks through how resentments that started at age three, a racing family background, and a fundamental misunderstanding of what alcoholism really meant kept him in denial until a DUI in 1987 finally cracked the door open.
Glynn W., an AA speaker from Memphis, explains that he isn’t an alcoholic because he drank too much, but because he never got enough—a physical craving coupled with mental obsession that separated him from social drinkers. His talk traces childhood resentments, family dysfunction, blackout driving, and the moment a DWI school instructor recognized his alcoholism and directed him to his first AA meeting. He shares how sponsorship, service work with young people in recovery, and step work transformed his ability to stay sober, forgive his parents, and become a safe presence for others coming into the rooms.
Episode Summary
Glynn W. opens with humor and humility—he’s nervous, he’s going to lower the standard, and he’s grateful for the speakers before him. But beneath the jokes is a man who’s spent 14 years excavating the roots of an alcoholism that had nothing to do with how much he drank and everything to do with never getting enough.
His story begins at three years old when his sister was born. Instead of adjusting, Glynn caught a resentment. He became a bad brother, stealing her candy, beating her—and this resentment became the template for how he’d move through the world. His father raced cars, a source of both pride and shame. While other kids had normal Sunday mornings, Glynn’s family was in the garage at 7 a.m., cops being called, drawing attention. He felt set apart, abandoned by parents who became gods in his mind and then disappointed him by being human.
At 15, someone handed him a bottle of whiskey. At the same age, sitting in an easy chair listening to Led Zeppelin while his family yelled and fought around him, something shifted. For the first time, everything was okay. The chaos didn’t matter. Alcohol and drugs made him feel part of life instead of apart from it. They made him rich, smart, good-looking, bulletproof.
What separated Glynn from a social drinker—and this is the core of his message—was this: when his mother has one drink, she doesn’t think about the next one. When Glynn had one, that’s all he thought about. All day. The obsession pushed out every other thought. Our book says it: physical craving coupled with mental obsession. One was too many. A thousand wasn’t enough. He wasn’t an alcoholic because he drank too much. He was an alcoholic because he never got enough.
His drinking escalated into blackout driving, car wrecks, blood-soaked clothes. A DUI in September 1987. In an inspired act of divine intervention—the way Glynn sees it—a cop arrested him. His grandmother tried to get the cop not to take him to jail. But Glynn needed that jail cell. He was “three steps ahead of complete and total disaster.” God was working through that cop’s life.
At DWI school, an instructor armed with facts about herself recognized what Glynn couldn’t see: “From what you’ve shown me on this test, you might be an alcoholic.” She talked him into a 6 p.m. AA meeting instead of the 8 p.m. he preferred. He went. He remembers two things: a spider that needed a meeting and a man who said, “Glenn, keep coming back.” Nobody had told him to come back anywhere in five years. Those three words—keep coming back—became a lifeline.
He bounced around meetings for six months. One-two-three drink, one-two-three drink. Treatment came next. Three weeks in, he got kicked out for passing it on too soon. Busted from male representative of the treatment center back down to newcomer. But the old-timers told him the truth: “You’ve got to do something different.” He did. He got a sponsor. He worked the steps. He celebrated a year sober with his mother handing him his first medallion, and he fell in love with Alcoholics Anonymous because it was the first place he’d ever truly belonged.
The talk shifts deeper. At a year and a half sober, he met a woman—not in the program—and got her pregnant. He wanted nothing to do with it. A state delegate set him straight: “Just what kind of damn message are you carrying?” Glynn started showing up as a father and a companion. His son Taylor is now 10 years old, has never seen his father drunk, knows his father loves him, and his kindergarten teacher once told Glynn, “If I ever have a son, I’d like for him to be like your son.”
But sobriety wasn’t all uphill. Years in, Glynn fell in sick with a woman in the program—the “Ken and Barbie of Jackson AA.” For two years before that, he hadn’t had effective sponsorship. He dragged her into “hell sober.” When she left, he nearly lost everything. He couldn’t go to meetings. His pride wouldn’t let him. Service work saved him—the International Conference of Young People in AA, his son, and eventually, a fifth step with a sponsor who told him plain: “You’re so selfish and self-centered that you expect people to build space shuttles of security around you and all they may have to work with is Lincoln logs.”
The steps brought him back. Service work expanded—helping start a Young People’s Conference in New Zealand, standing at the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans and hearing his God speak about love and forgiveness and the insignificance of resentments compared to His power. When he picked up a resentment chip in San Diego and threw it into the Pacific, he was letting go of something that had held him captive.
Today, Glynn’s purpose is clear: be a safe older male for young women coming into recovery. When a 15-year-old girl in his town celebrated one month sober, he called her up to receive her medallion. “It takes a whole hell of a lot of courage to try to get sober at 15 years old,” he said, because at 15 he had his head so far up his own rear that all he saw was darkness.
What listeners take away is not inspiration porn but a deep understanding of the disease itself: the obsession that makes one never enough, the resentments that metastasize from childhood, the slow work of becoming human instead of a god in other people’s eyes, and the absolute necessity of staying connected—to the fellowship, to service, to the steps, to people who tell you keep coming back even when you can’t hear anything else.
Notable Quotes
I’m not an alcoholic because I drank too much. I’m an alcoholic because I never got enough.
One’s too many. A thousand’s not enough. And if you’ve never heard that, I hope you can stay here long enough to identify with that because I did.
Nobody had told me to come back anywhere for about five years before I staggered through these doors. I heard that fella tell me keep coming back. That may be the three most important words in Alcoholics Anonymous.
You’re so selfish and self-centered that you expect people to build space shuttles of security around you and all they may have to work with is Lincoln logs.
When I held that resentment up and looked at the ocean in the background, my God said to me, ‘All of your issues, your resentments, all of that stuff is as big as one grain of sand to me.’
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We hope that you enjoy today's speaker. Lord, thank you. Thank you very much, Mark.
Um, my name is Glenn Willford. I'm an alcoholic. >> Uh, haven't the speakers been great this weekend so far?
>> >> Uh, I love Jimmy on Thursday night and then uh Francine finally made it here. Francine's here. We can start, y'all.
Um, she just she just found her seat. And then Jimmy's here. Uh, Larry Well, God, well, that's bad.
Larry's here. And Larry and I both know some people from Louisville together. And uh and I have had a fantastic time listening to them.
Looking forward to hearing Michael tonight and Don tomorrow. Uh, and you guys have been absolutely awesome. And I'm here to lower that standard.
>> >> You think I'm kidding? I am nervous as a longtail cat in a rocking chair contest. I I really want you guys to like me.
I don't know if it shows or not, but um um but uh the the voices did fail to make one announcement. Um they they reminded me just a second ago, they failed to make one announcement. Uh the host committee of this year's conference has asked if you see any questionable behavior from anyone here this weekend, please report it to a host committee member.
Thank you. And uh >> that must be you. Um, okay.
>> And before she stole my line, I was going to say, um, if you see any questionable behavior, let me know, too, cuz I want to watch. Um, Kitty Lou's here. Kitty Lou is sitting about halfway back in the half measures section.
And, uh, I'll hear about that one for years to come. Um, she uh she is my patron saint of Memphis. AA whenever I'd come to Memphis uh uh when I was first getting sober.
They say we hear when we hear and we see when we see. And I heard one thing and I saw one thing. I heard Frog's voice and I heard and I saw Kittyoo's eyes.
I remember standing at the Cook Convention Center and this little 4 foot nothing gay-headed old lady stared a hole straight through me all the way across that room and that was her. and and I want I want to tell you that I love you and that that young lady I've had the honor of her her speaking at probably three or four of my birthdays throughout the years and I and I want to tell you that I love you and I've called her many a day many a day crying you know whining and complaining about you sober alcoholic women I called her a few months ago and u and I said uh well I heard they got a really good lineup of speakers for this year's Bluff City conference and um I said they've even got a guy speaking from Tennessee and she said, "Would that be you?" And I said, "Yes." And she said, "It doesn't matter." Pop my bubble just like that. And I said, "What do you mean it doesn't matter?" She said, "Glenn, I want to ask you a question.
How long have you been sober?" Um, I said, "About 14 years." And she said, 'How many speakers have you heard? And I said, 'I don't know, maybe a couple of thousand.' And she said, 'How many of those speakers do you remember? And I said, I don't know, maybe 15 or 20 of them.
She said, see, it doesn't matter. God, if I ever need a dose of humility, all I've got to do is come down to Memphis and go hit up Kitty Lou over her home group or call her on the phone. I'm guaranteed to get to get a good shot at that, but that's all right.
I got a joke on her. Um, and I and I've I've I've been given permission to tell this story. I asked her the other day in hospitality room.
She can't go back on me now. Um, Kitty Lou, y'all don't know this, but she told me she's she told me that I'm the only one she told. I felt real special about that.
Um, she lost one of her little dogs last year. You know, she's got a couple little dogs. And, um, she just she started feeling really, really lonely and all this kind of stuff.
So, she went to the pet store. She's going to buy a new pet to replace it so she wouldn't feel as lonely. And, uh, so she looks over and she's she sees this frog in one of those little cages.
And Frog looks up at her and says, "Buy me and take me home and I guarantee you won't regret it." So, um, she looks at him and and and Frog says, "I promise you won't regret it." So, anyway, she buys a frog, takes him, uh, puts him in the car. On the way home, she looks over in the box, and the fro and the frog says, "Kiss me." Okay. >> Says, "Kiss me.
you won't regret it. So, a little bit reluctant. She leans over and gives a real little quick peck.
And all of a sudden, he transforms into this really goodlooking, fine, handsome young prince. And uh and this prince leans over and kisses Kitty Lou on the cheek. You know what she turned into?
First motel she could find. No kidding, y'all. Her hair just turned brown back there.
Y'all look. And uh and and Mark was right. Mark and I have had the privilege of getting to know each other over the year when I just had to get out of Jackson and stuff was going on too much up there.
I'd say, "Listen, man, if you got a couch available," he said, "You know, I do." And I'd do the same thing. He said, "Listen, I got to get out of Memphis tonight." I said, "You know, where I live, my house is your house." And uh and we we were able to do this deal over the last year year or so, however long it's been. But uh I don't me and Mark did a fifth step not too long ago.
And I've got permission to tell this joke cuz I asked him. Uh Mark was having problems. He met a nice newcomer.
I mean met a nice girl. >> All right. All right.
And um and and it was stressing him out just a little bit. And uh he he came up and he said, "Glenn, I found myself unable to perform." >> Well, I said, "Well, what did you do?" He said, "Well, I went to the doctor and um said me and my girlfriend went to the doctor and and the doctor said, "Well, it's no problem. I'll just give you some Viagra and and you guys can go on your merry way.
And he said, "Well, you know, Viagra, isn't that for the older crow kind of older crowd? Have you got anything different?" Doctor kind of scratched his head and said, "Well, we've got an experimental new procedure." What we do is we take the muscles from an elephant's trunk. >> Bear with me now.
We we take the muscles from an elephant's trunk and we kind of work with them and we've had some success in this area. And uh so he looked at his girlfriend think you know I I've got to do something. She she looked at him thinking yeah you're right you do.
Um so they said all right doctor let's do it. So they had the operation went through success. Couple months later go back to the doctor get the green light to try this stuff out.
So they go to a nice little quaint restaurant here in Memphis. Candle lights on the table, low dim light, piano music soft playing in the background, real real romantic. And they're sitting there staring Google at each other like we do, you know, and all of a sudden this big monstrosity comes up from under Mark's side of the table, reaches up, grabs a roll, and disappears.
>> >> Well, his girlfriend likes this. She's impressed. And uh and she said, "Honey, can you do that again?" And he said, "Baby, maybe I could, but I don't know if I could fit another roll up my ass.
Keep coming back. >> A Ain't it good to laugh in sobriety, y'all? Ain't it good?
>> Oh, yeah. >> That's right. That's right.
It's good to laugh. Um, I want to get out of myself for just a second. Quit telling jokes for a little bit.
Uh, I want to take a real quick survey of the audience. Um, real quick, how many just the guys, guys only, no girls this time? How many guys only have one year of sobriety or less?
Hands up real high. If nobody's told you today that somebody If nobody's told you today that they love you, some somebody might. I mean, you know, All >> >> right, girls.
Real quick. Just the girls this time. No guys.
How many girls have one year of sobriety or less? Hands up real high. Real high.
See me after this meeting. That's right. Um, we're going to get spiritual.
That's right. >> All right. >> That's right.
Uh >> yeah, they've got a new book out. It's bound to be approved. Conference approved any minute.
Says let go and let Glenn. That's right. And the next one's going to be as Glenn Sees It.
So see me after this meeting. Um the the host committee has been absolutely awesome. Uh the speaker has been absolutely awesome and I I really appreciate what Francine said last night.
It's a truly an honor to be asked to be anywhere in Alcoholics Anonymous until right now. Right now, cuz the butterflies in my in my stomach feel more like 747s. And um but anyway, I caught my first resentment when I was 3 years old.
Um my mother and my father sat me down at our kitchen table and uh they said, "We're going to have a baby." Now, I didn't know this, but this is what they told me later on. A typical three-year-old response is nothing we would normally expect. I asked them, I said, "Well, if we don't like it, can we take it back and get our money back?" And uh you I didn't know what was going to happen, but you know, that's insane to cop a a resentment at 3 years old, but that's just who I was.
I mean, that is insane. Kind of reminds me of the story that the guy goes into a bar and orders a shot of whiskey. Bartender pours in a shot and the guy hands it to the guy and the guy pushes it to the side.
This just drives a bartender crazy. Tries to go and do his job. A little bit later, the guy calls the bartender over and says, "Listen, can I get another shot of whiskey?" So bartender, the bartender pours in the shot of whiskey, hands it to him, and he just knocks it back.
Well, this just flies all over the bartender. He does not understand this at all. Just really starts eating his lunch, so to speak.
And uh he tries to go do his job. A few minutes later, he cannot stand it. So he goes back to the guy, says, "Listen, I want to ask you a question.
you ordered two shots a while ago, but you pushed the first one aside. What's up with that? He said, "Well, listen.
I've been going to these AA meetings. They told me whatever I do, don't take that first drink." So, uh, and and that's how insane I was at 3 years old, you know, resentful. My little sister came along.
I immediately became a bad brother and I beat the hell out of her every chance I got. I mean, and and I didn't know I didn't know anything about sibling rivalry. I didn't know I didn't know.
Uh my little sister came along. I immediately became a bad brother and was horrible. Her we'd be at my babysitter's house and we'd she'd give us a quarter and you get penny candy.
Back then, you get one piece of candy for a penny. So, we'd go to the store and and they'd say, "Make sure your sister gets some candy." So, I'd come back with about 22 pieces of candy. She'd come back with three.
And that was common for me. That was common. And one of the things I get to do, uh, as a sober member of Alcoholics Anonymous, it came to me, uh, through help with a good friend.
Uh, it came to me that one of the things I need to do is try to be a good brother. Try to be a good brother. I asked myself the question earlier this year, and I swear to you, as the Lord Lord is my witness, I had never thought about this.
I wonder what kind of sister my brother wanted. Whatever it was, I wasn't him. Not the funny guy that stands here before you, you know, not the guy that stands here with right now.
I've got one thing on my mind. You know, right as I stand here right now, Lord God is my witness. I've got one thing on my mind.
Do I look okay? That was supposed to go over better than that, y'all. So, all right.
All right. Um, but in all honesty, I want to get out of myself real quick. And um, I I was walking around in in one of the um, merchandise um, rooms that I saw and I happened to peek down and I saw something and I immediately knew what God was telling me.
See, one of the things that I get to do in Alcoholics Anonymous as as a result of being a bad brother back then is I got to try to be a safe older male for the young girls that come into meetings in my town. And uh and Franc said, "If you got a problem with with middle-aged ladies that can't control their emotions, tough." And uh if you can't if you've got a problem with 36-y old man who can't control his emotions, well, my god, we're in trouble. But uh there's been a lady young lady that has been uh coming to meetings not long.
And uh and I call her my little sister in sobriety and she's real special to me. And u and I got to get out of myself for a little bit. and um she's 15 years old and just this past week she celebrated one month of sobriety and u and I took her home from the meeting that night and she got out of the car and I looked over at I said I sure am proud of you.
And it was like somebody had handed her a million dollars. And um when I saw this right here, I knew what it was. And I knew what my God was doing in my life.
And it would be my honor if this young lady would come up and pick up a one-mon medallion at 15 years old. She has shown me more courage in the last month than it takes for me to stand up here 10 times. Carla, come get this medallion.
>> >> I think it takes a whole hell of a lot of courage. age to try to get sober at 15 years old because at 15 years old I had my head so far up my rear all I saw was was darkness. Uh and I'm proud of you.
I am proud of you. I remember my first AA birthday. My mother stood up at the podium like this in front of a packed house in my home group and my mother said, "I'm proud of you." And nobody had told me they were proud of me for about 5 years before I got to Alcoholics Anonymous.
And I am so proud of you and I love you. Oh Lord. Um I got I got that.
All right. >> Am I doing okay? All right.
All right. Um, I come from a racing family. Uh, my father raced when I was a kid and uh, and it it was a source of shame and it was a source of a whole lot of love when I was growing up.
Um, is a source of love because, man, it was awesome to be at that racetrack and be around all those race cars and all that power and stuff. And I learned through inventory that my father was one of my heroes growing up because he raced cars and I love that. And I also learned that it was a source of shame for me because we were the only family on our block that had a race car.
And and I mean look, y'all told me I was not unique when I got here. Watch this test right here. How many of y'all come from a racing family?
Grew up around it. Me and two more. That's it.
And I have asked people that question from Portland to West Palm Beach, from Louisville to San Diego, and y'all, I believe, are the 16th and 17th people that have that have raised their hands. So, I am unique. Um, but uh but uh it was a source of shame for me because nobody else on our block race cars.
I mean, we were the family that, you know, I'm sorry if anybody else on your family race cars and stuff like that. We were the family working on our race car 7:00 in the morning on Sunday morning while all the rest of y'all were still asleep. And uh we were the family on our block when you know the cops were getting called down for disturbing the peace and all that kind of stuff and my father would have to be nice and polite uh and all those kind of things and which was hard for him.
Um and and so it was a bit of a source of shame for me and uh I loved it and I didn't love it and and you know I didn't I I grew up knowing that I was different from people nobody else on on our block race. None of the other kids in my schools father raced. So I felt apart from I felt I felt set aside.
Y'all remember I'd coped this resentment at three years old. I felt abandoned by my mother and father. They took all that attention that they were given to a selfish and self-centered three-year-old and they heaped it on my little sister and they stole my thunder.
They stole my thunder. And at three years old, my gods left me. I learned through inventory later on that when I was a kid, I looked up out of that crib and I saw two people staring over that crib.
They immediately became my gods. And it's been a long time in sobriety. A long time in sobriety and a lot of tears for those two people to become human.
A long time. And uh and today I love my father. I love my father for who he is, not who he's not.
See, my father drank when I was young. And I never knew who he was when he was drinking. I didn't know if he was going to be that 800 lb romping, stomping gorilla roaring through the to roaring through the house like a tornado or I didn't know if he was going to be that loving doing father that would come in and give you a hug and kiss you and put you to bed and and read you a good night's story.
I didn't know who he was going to be. I don't know if he's an alcoholic to this day. But I hope he hears this tape one of these days.
I want to tell him, "Dad, I'm proud to be your son." Cuz I blamed him for everything. It was his fault. It was his fault.
Um, and uh, and I and if he ever hears this tape, I want to say, "Dear God, Dad, I forgive you, please forgive me for the things that I did." And I want to tell my mother, if she ever hears this tape, that dear God, I love you so much. And Kayla's met my mother before, and um, she just wants her son to be okay. That's all.
That's all. Um, I rocked along as a kid. I was about 15 years old.
Somebody passed a a bottle of whiskey my way and said, "Do you want to try this?" I said, "Well, sure." You know, I wanted to fit in. And not long after that, they passed some marijuana my way and said, "Do you want to smoke this?" And I said, "Well, sure." Cuz I wanted to fit in. And that was about 15 when I did that.
I was about 15 when I discovered sex. Yeah. Now, I was about 18 when I found out you could have sex with somebody.
Yeah. You We came in here a little bit earlier and the Alanons had just left their whole mess all over the place. Um, I guess they were trying to get even.
You know how you can tell when an alcoholic and an Alanon are out on their second date, can't you? There's a U-Haul in the driveway. You know how an Alanon has sex with you, don't you?
They just attach and let you screw yourself. >> >> It took her a little bit longer than it did the rest of us, but that's all right. You You know how you can tell when you're when you're at an Alanon meeting, don't you?
You spill your coffee now. I'll get up to clean it up. But uh I remember I remember what uh alcohol and drugs did for me in the beginning.
I remember sitting in my mother, my father's house, sitting in my room. My little sister's in her room yelling and screaming and crying because I don't know what I've done, but I I've probably been beating the hell out of her, beating the hell out of her again. Uh my mother and my father are in their room.
They're yelling and screaming each other, trying to blame it, trying to blame one another. Um and and that's normal in our household. Chaos is familiar to me.
I come from chaos. Hell, I was born at Dysfunction Junction. I mean, that's that's the truth about me.
But, uh, I remember sitting there at 15 years old listening to Led Zeppelin, a couple of people identifying with that. And uh and that's when the dam broke for me. 15 years old, sitting there in that easy chair.
It's one of them old drunk chairs. You sit in it. You you sit down in it and you're sitting like this and by the end of the night you're sitting about like this in it.
And and uh you just kind of become part of the upholstery in the chair. And uh and for the first time in my life, for the first time in my life, everything was okay just the way it was. It was okay that my little sister's yelling and screaming and crying.
It was okay that my mother and father are yelling and screaming and crying and blaming each other. It's okay that the ala dog's barking. It's okay that the alakat's meowing.
Whatever's going on, it's just okay inside my skin. And where I came from, feeling abandoned, feeling less than, feeling like I didn't fit in. Like Bill talks about on page one of his story, I felt like I was a part of life at last.
I identified with that when I read it because I felt like I was apart from life growing up all my life. That was true for me. Um but whiskey and boo whiskey and dope took that away from me and I felt a part of uh I became rich.
Uh I became good-looking, I became smart, I became bulletproof, and at times I became invisible, you know, you know, and that was the truth for me. And that's what it did for me. It wasn't long after that that it started doing stuff to me.
It started asking me to give it things. It started asking it for my relationship with my family. And I said, "You can have it." It started asking me for any kind of money that I'd made, for any kind of job that I had.
And I said, "Take it." And it damn near asked me for my life and God worked through me and said, "Wait a minute, hang on." Um, I don't know about I don't know about you guys, but uh drinking makes you think about stuff, you know. Uh made me think about getting a job one time. Uh, so I had this little job and uh, here's what a typical Friday for me was, you know, working this little job.
I get paid on Friday afternoon, right? I got two bills that I got to pay immediately as soon as I get off work. I got to pay the dope man.
I got to pay my bar tab. Two bills, right? Two bills.
I got to pay those two bills. And uh, so I go pay those two bills. And whatever I'm left with, that's what I've got to make it through that Friday night with.
And a typical Friday night for me was is uh go go buy a $25 bag of marijuana, bag it up, which was a lot of dope in the early 1980s. Uh go buy a case of beer and be scraping it off the floorboard of the car to get nickels and dimes to put $2 worth of gas in the car. And see, I was insane because I expected to ride around all night long on $2 worth of gas in the car.
and and yeah and uh you know that that's just the truth of it. Um I'm not a social drinker. My mother is a social drinker and I can't stand it.
I have seen her start a drink and nurse the same one for hours. That's alcohol abuse to me. I've seen her start one, finish that one, maybe start another one, and leave some in the bottle.
So, needless to say, whenever I was drinking, I kind of followed my mother around if she was going somewhere and finished hers off, finished anybody else's off, I could get my hands on, too. But, uh, I asked my mother, I said, "What happens to you when you drink one time?" When you I asked her one time, "What happens to you when you drink?" And she said, "Well, I kind of loosen up a little bit. I I kind of get a woozy, out of control feeling going on and and and I just feel kind of good.
I said, "Okay." And I said, "What then?" And she said, "I don't want anymore." It's exactly at that point that separates the social drinker from the fullblown chronic alcoholic like me. Because when I get that little loosey out of control feeling, loosened up, get the get the body flowing and all that kind of stuff on the dance floor, all this whatever. Uh that's exactly when I want all I can get my hands on.
Every one of them. If I can go by and beg, borrow, steal, sell my soul to the devil for whatever I whatever I've got to do. That's exactly what I'm willing to do to get another one.
They told me one's too many. A thousand's not enough. And if you've never heard that, I hope you can stay here long enough to identify with that because I did.
I'm not an alcoholic because I drank too much. The people that told me I drank too much, I knew. They didn't know.
There's no way they knew. I'm not an alcoholic because I drank too much. I'm an alcoholic because I never got enough.
And that's the truth about me. Um, I'm a blackout driver. It's more fun that way.
People ask you what you did night before. I don't know. And you love finding out later that you had fun.
I mean, that's all right. But, uh, I remember one night, I hate coming to in a car wreck. um came to in a car wreck one time.
I'd wrecked the only car I had. It was dark, late one night and and I remember that feeling. If I can just make it home.
Y'all remember that feeling? If I can just make it home. Uh well, blacked out that night and uh wrecked my car.
And you know, cars don't drive too well when they're wrapped around trees. I didn't know that. Um anyway, so the car won't move and I just go just getting aggravated.
You know how you just get aggravated when you're drunk? God. So anyway, so I start taking off walking and I realize I'm probably about 2 miles from home.
So I start taking off walking and and and all of a sudden I realize I've got a bad headache. So I reach up, grab my hair and I don't know what I'm going to do. Grab my hair and I look down at my hand and my hand is covered in blood.
and I look down at the clothes I'm wearing and I and my shirt is covered in blood and and I've got on a pair of pants and the front of them is covered in blood. I immediately ced a resentment. It was not a resentment that I was drunk again.
It was not a resentment that I had wrecked my only car, you know, been in another car wreck. Um, I ced a resentment because I ruined a nice white shirt and a nice white pair of pinstripe pants. cuz Miami Vice was hot at the time and it's it's what I was wearing.
Don't you hate car wrecks when you're drunk? I mean, the last time I was at the emergency room after one of those drunk car wrecks, um, they had I had tubes sticking in each arm and one up, well, you know, one going up the backside and all this kind of I didn't know if I didn't know if I was in the emergency room or if I was at Jify Lube and uh, and that's the truth. Um, and I drank, smoked dope, snorted cocaine every chance I could.
every chance I could. See, my mother, when she goes out and has one, maybe two, she doesn't sit and think about the next time she's going to have maybe one, possibly two. When I go have one, I think about it all day long.
That's all I think about. I don't think about anything else. Our book says we have a physical craving couple um coupled with a mental obsession.
obsessions is one of the descriptions for me is is an obsession is something that will push out every other thought in your mind. And that's true for me because when I drink, that's all I think about. I don't think about nothing else.
And my body says, "You better go get another one." And that's the truth about me. And the truth about me is is I had my last one chasing my first one. That's the truth about me.
Uh, you know, I heard people talk about being an alcoholic. I knew I was an alcoholic. No way I was an alcoholic.
My my conception of an alcoholic was a three coatwearing, pigglywiggly cart pushing bum that lived under the bridge. I wasn't that. I was sleeping in my car on top of the bridge.
Wasn't alcoholic. Couldn't be. Um, and and the what happened for me is I got a DUI in September of 1987.
And you know, that may not impress some of the old-timers. Well, the truth about me is I'm guilty of a thousand DUIs and I've been caught one time. This is a disease of perception.
That's the truth about me. I have no idea how many times my God placed his hand over my car and saw fit that I made it home when the only thing I was when the only thing I was thinking if I can just make it home one more night. Uh well, I got a DUI in September 1987 and I rear ended the back of this guy's little small pickup truck and I did about $140 worth of damage to that pickup truck and I paid that guy back.
have no idea how I paid that guy back drunk, but I paid him back. Um, but anyway, uh, I remember when that cop put those handcuffs on my hand, I had a spiritual experience. I became a nice guy.
And uh I vaguely sense I wasn't being too smart about that. But uh but I remember that I remember that cop telling me, "Mr. Wilford, we're taking you to jail for DWI." It's DWI back then.
It wasn't DUI. We're taking you to jail for DWI. And something ran across the front of my little pee brain that said, "This is not supposed to be happening to me.
Doesn't he know who I am?" I mean, my father I grew up in a racing family. I was driving the family's race car at the racetrack at 15 years old before I ever had a driver's license, you know, but it's hard to explain your credentials when you're in handcuffs. Um, but I remember that happening and uh and that guy that cop me in the back of that police car.
Now, I don't know about you guys, but I know my God works in my life. He's given me the courage to stand up here today and to fight through my own fears, fight through my all of my insecurities that say, Glenn, you don't deserve to be up there. And he's given me the courage to do that.
And I know my God worked in my life drunk. And I know he works in my life sober because what happened that night from where I'm standing at this podium just about to the front of this hotel, my grandmother was sitting in a bar and she saw that DWI happen. She saw that car wreck and she sent somebody out of that bar to try to talk that cop out of taking me to jail that night.
Now, I don't know about you guys, but I spent my drinking and my drugging career about three steps ahead of complete and total disaster. I'm grateful that God that that my God was working in that cop's life that night and and got that guy to do his job and take me to jail because that's where I needed to be that night to protect you from me because I was a tornado roaring through your life. And I remember going to jail that night and uh you know he took me to jail and to illustrate even further that God was working in that cop's life.
I saw that cop in a bar about a month later and he said, "Don't go down such and such road down here in Jackson because the cops have a roadblock set up." How about that? God using a policeman to work in my life to keep me out of another scrape. Three steps ahead of complete and utter disaster.
Um, well, back then they made go they made you go to DUI school or DWI school. I have a resentment over over DWI school to this day. I thought they're going to teach me how to drive drunk.
Well, it was an all day class and um the woman teaching the class that day was armed with the facts about herself. They made us take a little test at the end of the class, a little 20 question test. Had crazy questions on it like, um, has drinking caused you problems with your family?
Hell no. They kicked me out a long time ago. Has drinking caused you problems on the job?
No, I can't keep a job. That don't that don't bother me. I remember taking that test and about halfway through that test, I'm realizing I'm answering yes to almost every question on this test.
>> >> And uh after the class was over that day, the uh the instructor instructor for the day, she uh she sent gave everybody their little certificate, you know, like DUI school certificate, you know, something to be proud of. And uh um she asked a few of us to kind of hang around after after class was over and I was one of them. And I thought I must have been one of the star students.
So, you know, so, uh, she kind of called us all, she kind of called us one by one into our office. And I remember when she called me in there, um, she said, "Glenn, from what you've shown me on this test, you might be an alcoholic." She, see, she was armed with the facts about herself. And the old-timers like Kitty Loon and Frog and and the people like that and the people up in my hometown, they told me, "If you can spot it, you've got it.
She had it so she could spot it." She was armed with the facts about herself. And she talked me into she she said, "Listen, there there's a 6:00 and there's a 8:00 meeting tonight over here at this group. Won't you go?" And I said, "I'll go to the 8:00 meeting." She said, "Why don't you go to the six?
old-timers like Charlie told me uh that their best thinking got them to Alcoholic synonymous. I remember that day real well because my best thinking almost didn't get me to Alcoholics Anonymous because on that day I thought I had a choice. Well, I don't know why but I did what the woman told me to do.
I went to this six o'clock meeting. I remember two things about that meeting. There was a little granddaddy longleg spider crawling around in that meeting.
I wasn't saying stuff. I promise it was not hallucinating. My first sponsor said that spider needed a meeting that day.
Leave him alone. So if you're sitting in a meeting and you see some ants or you see a spider or see a bird fly through, they need a meeting. Leave them alone.
And uh and a fell came up to me after the meeting and he stuck his hand out and he said, "Glenn, keep coming back." And I had no idea why he did that for a long time. But upon reflection and upon a lot of inventories, I know why he did that. Why that I know why he did it.
And I know why it stuck out in my life. It stuck out in my life that day because nobody had told me to come back anywhere for about five years before I staggered through these doors. I believe the three word three of the most important words in Alcoholics Anonymous we can say are keep coming back.
Because when there's no way in hell I'll ever hear I love you when I'm still drinking and I'm still doing drugs. There's no way I could have heard that. I heard that fella tell me keep coming back.
See what I brought to the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous. After after inventory and inventory, I finally found out what I brought to you. It was not a pretty sight.
What happened was is I felt horribly guilty about the things that I had done and I felt ashamed of who I was and that's what I brought to you and you gave me the three most important words I believe in all of Alcoholics Anonymous. You told me keep coming back and I'm so grateful for you. And that guy's still sober today because of me.
you know, that's probably the meeting that he decided to stick around right there. Um, I I bounced in and around AA meetings for I don't know, six, eight months. And, uh, one, two, three, drink, one, two, three, drink, one, two, three, drink.
And I just, I was not getting the program. So, uh, I had a sponsor at the time. He didn't he didn't fire me because I drank.
He still let me make those midnight suicide calls and all that kind of stuff. And, um, finally, he said, Glenn, you know, maybe maybe you ought to go to treatment. maybe I'll go treatment.
And uh so I I decided, okay, I'm going to go in here and I'm going to check myself in, have a little treatment, and you know, be a new man after I'm done. Well, I have a lovehate relationship with treatment today. Um, one thing I hate about treatment, they're not real fashion conscious in treatment.
Don't they realize how hard it is to pick up girls with one of those green paper gown on? And if you're like me, if you're one of those speed freaks, you just kind of vibrate all over the floor and stuff and they have to chase you down with those little booties on and all that kind of stuff. But, uh, one of the things I hate about treatment, I hated awards day.
I don't know if they have awards day in y'all's treatment. So, they had awards day where they gave you these little things that they put on your name tag and all this kind of stuff. They had awards day.
First awards day I was there, they gave me the sock award. pissed me off. Um, they made me tie a sock, stuff a sock, tie it around my boot, tie it around my my belt loop, and wear it around for a week.
Told me I couldn't keep all my in one sock. So, that's that's what it was. They gave me the Jailhouse Lawyers Award.
Y'all know what that is, don't you? That's the guy sitting in the sale next to you telling you how to get out. They gave that to me.
And uh boy, it sure humbled me real quick. So I decided to see I'm a quick study now. I decided to pull out some of that old AA lingo cuz it's real impressive when you're sitting in small group and the treat and the treatment coordinator or a counselor or whatever ask you, Glenn, what are you going to do?
And I pull that thing back out from from wherever I found it and I said, "I'm just going to let go and let God." Or or maybe a few days later we'd be sitting in small group and it's my turn on the hot seat and I'd just say, "I'm just going to turn it over." Well, I based on based on whipping out that AA lingo, I work my way up the treatment center ladder. Uh, here comes awards day and I'm in it's my third week in treatment. Here comes awards day and boy I got my chest I got my chest stuck out because I know something's good about to happen.
I got all these expectations and all this kind of stuff and they gave me the male representatives award. I'm now captain AA. Uh, three weeks sober in a in a treatment center and I'm the male representative of our treatment center.
I'm a circuit speaker in training. I know it already. and and and and they didn't like that too well.
But what happened for me in treatment was I was sitting in the day room one time and in she walked and she was a newcomer there and I was an old-timer in treatment and they had told me that I had to pass it on. Oh, right. Well, they frown on that stuff in treatment.
They frown on that stuff and they kick me out of treatment. Three weeks. Three weeks in treat.
They kicked me out. Said, "Don't come back." So, I went from being captain AA to a lowly little newcomer. And And all you old-timers, y'all, God bless y'all.
Y'all told me that I was the most important person in the meeting, but I didn't feel like it. I went from being male representative of Alcoholics Anonymous, busted down to a newcomer. Oh god.
But uh and you guys told me, Glenn, if you're going to stay sober, son, you've got to do something different. You've got to do something different. Kind of reminds me of the story of the traveling salesman.
drinking all the time, going out working, drinking all the time, going back to the hotel. Finally, it just wears into his job, and he can't do it. He goes to treatment.
And uh so he gets out of treatment, goes to a few meetings, and finally gets cleared to go back to work. And one of the things that the old-timers have been telling him, you got to do something different if you're going to stay sober. So, he goes out on on call that day, has a real good day on the job, goes back to the hotel, and there are two pretty girls sitting on the bed and a bottle of whiskey sitting on the table.
He said, "Uhoh, I'm in trouble." So, he goes in the bathroom and he gets on his knees and he prays and and he he stands up and he says, "I got to do something different. I got to do something different. I got to do something different." So, uh, he comes out of the he comes out of the bathroom and he says, "Girls, the old-timers in AA have told me I've got to do something different.
So, I can't drink that whiskey and one of you is going to have to leave." say I thought that would go over better now. I mean, but um I I hung around Alcoholics Anonymous. One thing I in a way I loved you old-timers when I got here and in a way I hated you.
Now, in my home group when I when I got sober, they used to have their little own amen corner. You know, they wouldn't let they wouldn't let none of the new people sit next to them. They just stare across the room at you and all that kind of stuff.
And I thought, "Okay, I need to make friends with the old-timers." I went bouncing up to one of them one time and I said, "I'm expecting a miracle." He said, "I bet you are." And uh and God bless I I remember one old time he he told me he said, "Son, I want to tell you something. I'm just using you for entertainment is all." And that's the truth. I remember sitting in a meeting one time and this old guy was sitting there and he had a he had a cigar in his hand and he just sat there and he stared across the top of those horn rim glasses and that cigar never moved and at the end of that meeting the the ashes on the end of that cigar was about six 6 in long cuz he was serene by God and that's the truth.
That's the truth. Um but I finally saw the attraction of the program. Finally saw the attraction of the program.
She was blonde and I was hoping that they had told her she had to give it away to keep it. But u but the old-timers had got to her ahead of time and warned her about me. And I know she was sitting there thinking, "What an order?
I can't go through with that." I got sober, put the plug in the jug, went to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, hung out with sober people, did what you sober people told me to do. And and I celebrated that first year birthday. My mother came and my mother handed me my first year medallion.
And God, I fell in love all over again with Alcoholics Anonymous because you people let me be a part of and I never was a part of anything. Uh I mean, you know, I came to Alcoholics Anonymous. I brought a selfish and self-centered guy to you.
I mean, I'm selfish and self-centered. I ain't much, but I'm all I think about. He got that.
I mean, I go to a funeral and I want to be the corpse. If I had some sexual identity issues, I'd probably go to a wedding and want to be the bride. But uh I loved Alcoholics Anonymous when I got here.
I mean, it was the only place in the world where they had all the sick women grouped. And and I don't know about you guys, but I have an uncanny ability. If you line 10 women up against this wall, I'll pick the sickest one every time.
I don't know where I learned how to do that, but uh I remember my first conference that I ever went to was the uh uh was the International Conference Young People in AA in 1988 in Nashville, Tennessee. And I held hands with 4,000 people that weekend and they said the Lord's Prayer and it was like a spiritual lightning bolt hit me. And I don't know about you guys, but every time to this day, 14 years later, every time I hold hands with you good people, and say the Lord's Prayer, I get goosebumps running up and down my spine.
And I thank you for that. I thank you for that gift you gave me because I think that that was awesome. Um, I remember I was probably about a year and a half sober and um, I was playing Frisbee with some friends of mine in parking lot and up she drove and we were a perfect couple.
The rocks in my head fit the holes in hers. And uh we fell in sick on the spot. She wasn't an AA.
She's a normal person still to this day. Nor not a not an alcoholic. And uh we rocked along for about a year.
And then she told me the two most self two most scary words that you could tell a selfish and self-centered alcoholic. She said, 'I'm pregnant.' And I thought, what an order. I can't go through with that.
And if you want to know the truth about me, I said some really horrible things to that young lady. And I thought some really horrible thoughts surrounding that situation. And the truth about me is, and I hope I don't lower y'all's standards too much, the truth about me is I've done and said things sober that I said I would never do drunk.
Whiskey never was my problem. I'm an insane lunatic, stoked up, turned out alcoholic when you take the whiskey away from me. And if I'm not living these steps, I'm not living these traditions, I'm not living these concepts, that's what you're going to get.
That's the truth about me. Well, having a young girl pregnant is not one of those things you want to run tell your sponsor real quick cuz you know what he going to say. You you got to take your time on that one.
So the state delegate came to town one night and and gave a talk and don't go to your state delegate and ask him the truth about a situation. He told me the truth. We sat in his car that night and he said, "Glenn, I want to ask you a question.
Just what kind of damn message are you carrying?" God worked through that man's life that night. And I started to go around her and she was probably I don't know, she she was several months sober at the time. And I started to go around her again and uh I started to try to be a companion to her and I started to try to be a father and uh and I ain't good today.
I'm just telling you I'm not great at it. I'm scared to death. They don't come with instructions when the kids with kids they don't.
And uh and my son is 10 today and he knows where his father is doing. He knows where his father is doing right now. He knows where he's at.
And he's never seen his father drunk. That doesn't mean that he hadn't seen his father be that 800B rump and stomping untreated alcoholic gorilla in his life because he has. And I've just tried to become more human to him lately in the last probably two or three years.
I've I've tried to become less of less of a god in his mind and become just a man. Just a man. But my my son and I have stood on top of the world's tallest building.
And you guys have gave me the gift that to this day my son has told me, "Dad, I'm getting tired of going to Disney World. He loves it. He wants to move to Florida.
I mean, we we've been down there, I don't know, probably half a dozen times. First time we went down there on the plane coming back said, "Dad, I want to move to Florida." I said, "Taylor, why is that?" He said, "Well, they don't have schools there." I said, "What do you mean they don't have schools there?" He said, "I didn't see any." And that's the truth for him. and and and we get to do stuff like this.
And and in the last year or so, I've had the real privilege and honor of speaking at a lot of places throughout the country. And whenever I stand up behind these podiums, I always say, "Taylor, wherever you're at, I love you and I am proud of you and I am proud to be your father because he's a good kid." And it was as a result of Alcoholics Anonymous, his kindergarten teacher said said, "Glenn, if I ever have a son, I'd like for him to be like your son. Thank you, Alcoholics Anonymous." And uh and we had that son.
God, I don't remember her name. Oh yeah, the plaintiff. That's it.
That's it. And and I thank you Alcoholics Anonymous because the now in the I don't know maybe nine or so years of paying child support, I've been late one time. And I called her and told her I've been in two car wrecks and I've been out of work for a month and I'm going to be late.
and she said, "Okay." And uh and and that's just the truth about it. And uh and what it's like today for me, you know, there are a lot of guys here sitting in this room that live in Memphis now that I watched get sober. And boy, I sure was an ass to them.
And you know, when you're selfish and self-centered and you're scared to death, that's the kind of stuff you do in Alcoholics Anonymous. And we're not living these steps and these traditions and these concepts. That's the kind of stuff you do in Alcoholics Anonymous.
As part of my men's day, I hope I can walk up to those guys and shake their hands and say it's good to see them and that sobriety looks good on you now. You know, that's what that is. Uh that's how I get to to resolve some of that past by being a kind and safe individual for those young girls coming to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.
We had a girl come into our clubhouse, I don't know, maybe a week or so ago, and she sat down and I guess she was doing it on purpose, but she had really big spirituality and she was young and she said, "It's really hard right now because I'm going through a divorce and I'm trying to get sober." And I thought, "Well, this is going to be entertaining to watch this." And it was like a feeding frenzy around there. And it's rough to sit back and watch that. It's rough to sit back and watch that.
See new people coming in this program and there are people who have done the steps, done the traditions, done the 12 concepts, and they're fighting for the people's lives who are just coming in the door. I don't want to drag another one through the hell I've already dr through the hell I've already been through. And the truth about me is I was standing at that clubhouse standing in our cabinet one day and in walked this woman and I thought she's got really big spirituality and she was blonde and uh and I thought, God, she could be my soulmate.
Damn it. What was her name? Well, >> we fell in sick on the spot and we were the Ken and Barbie of Jackson AA sitting in the podium together, sitting on the platform together at conferences, we were the looking good couple.
And the truth about me is before I took that young lady as a victim, I probably didn't have effective sponsorship for about two years before that. And I drug her straight into hell sober. And uh it didn't work.
And we split up and it hurt like hell. And it hurt my pride and it hurt my ego. Um because for the first time in about seven years in sobriety, she made me feel loved by a woman.
And I had not had that since my son's mother. And um I was boopping around here just, you know, doing whatever I was doing, whatever you call that. God, I don't know.
But uh and it didn't work. And uh it was by far the hardest thing I had ever done, staying sober and uh and it's hard to be effective and it's hard to be efficient in your life when you're laying in your living room floor balled up and curled up like a baby crying uncontrollably. probably I could not go to the program.
My pride wouldn't let me. I could not go to the steps and the traditions and the concepts. And there were two things that kept me alive.
The International Conference of Young People and Alcoholics Anonymous and my son because I could not stay sober for myself at that time. And I made those 325 mile drives to Louisville to go to those host committee meetings because Zikip was going on there and they let me, somebody they'd never met, be a part of their host committee. And uh and I was named outreach chairman for that.
We elected about 20 people that day and they elected a guy they had never met by unanimous proclamation. And they let me be a part of their committee. And after 9,000 miles on the road and 19,000 miles in the air outreaching that conference, you guys asked me to serve on your advisory council for that for that conference.
And I am honored. I am honored. Uh I remember talking to a guy one day about that relationship and he said, "Yeah, I had something like that happen to me and when when she left, my God left.
And when she left, I broke into her house and I tried to hang myself sober. And I knew that was the guy that it was time for me to do a fistep with. It was time to go back to the steps because the fellowship and service work did me so much.
I had to go back to the steps. And I went down and me and Mark Perry did an inventory that day. three-hour fistep on a onepage inventory.
And he said, "Glenn, you're so selfish and self-centered that you expect people to build space shuttles of security around you and all they may have to work with is Lincoln logs." Well, he kind of helped me to understand that a little bit. And uh and I don't know if that's the case, but I'm real grateful for that service work that I mentioned. I started in the last year, just about in the last year or so, I've been in touch with people in six different countries about Alcoholics Anonymous.
And at the end of my drinking, I was lucky to get off the couch. Thank you, Alcoholics Anonymous. And and I started email correspondence.
And then we started chat sessions with a young lady in New Zealand. And I promise I wasn't trying to pick her up. And uh we Thank you.
If y'all didn't hear it, just young lady down here clap because she because I said I wasn't trying to pick her up. So, but u she said, "We don't have a a young people's conference in New Zealand." And so I sent her a bunch of literature and a bunch of documentation on ikipa. And by the grace of God and and by help of the people in New Zealand, come next spring, those young people, they're going to have a young people's conference.
And I thank you, Alcoholics Anonymous. And and and she sent me an email probably about a month or so ago, and she said, "Glenn, thank you very much for your spark because if it weren't for you, I would have simply sat around and thought about it for years. So if you have those sober dreams, chase them, whatever they are, because I'm having to fight through that stuff that says, "I don't belong to be here.
I'm having to fight through that stuff right now." And and as a result of doing all that outreach work, I got to travel all over the country. And as I stood at the foot of the of the Atlantic Ocean, my God speaks to me whenever I'm out there at the ocean. And he said, "Glenn, all this water that I have before you represents how much love I have to give you.
Can't you give one grain of sands worth of love to yourself?" And I stood at the feet of the Pacific Ocean in Los Angeles. And my God, true story, my God said, Glenn, all this love, all this water that I have to give you here represents how much forgiveness I have to give to you. Can't you give one grain of sand worth of forgiveness to yourself and to them about that stuff?
And as I stood in San Diego, my God spoke to me and I had this little token that a little chip that we have. It's symbolic of a resentment. And I picked that resentment up because it was just eating my lunch day in and day out, month after month.
And my God, I held that resentment chip up and I looked at with the ocean in the background and my God said to me, he said, "Glenn, all this water is symbolic of how much power I have." And to me, all of your issues, your resentments, all of that stuff is as big as one grain of sand to me. Well, the last time I saw that resentment chip, that sucker was flying in the Pacific Ocean. >> >> And I hope and pray, dear God, that that girl that I drug into the mouth of hell sober will find it in her heart one of these days to forgive me because I am a sick alcoholic sometimes.
And I know I love her. Kittoo, I know I love her. Maurice, I know I love her.
And uh I hope so. You know what? I I need to wrap this stuff up because you guys have been real patient, but y'all are start starting to get that glossy eyed look.
But um you guys have been real awesome. And if you hadn't seen my slippers, come on up and see my slippers cuz they they remind me that uh I've still got an animal inside of me. >> All right.
and and and I hope that I haven't lowered the standard for this weekend too much. And I'm really looking forward to hearing Michael talk tonight and really looking forward to hear Don talk tomorrow. And the last thing that I always say, whether it be from a podium or at my home group or at any group that I attend in Alcoholics Anonymous, I have talked far too long and said far too little.
Thank you for having me here in Memphis. Thank you for listening to Sober Sunrise. If you enjoyed today's episode, please give it a thumbs up as it will help share the message.
Until next time, have a great day. >>