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AA Speaker – Deandre M. – Simi Valley, CA – 2008

AA speaker Deandre M. from Simi Valley shares how working the steps with a sponsor transformed his thinking about recovery and keeps him sober after 17 years.

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Deandre M. got sober in 1991 after hitting bottom hard—stealing from his mother, getting into fights, living recklessly in Watts. In this AA speaker meeting from Simi Valley, he walks through how a sponsor named Dennis L. showed him that recovery wasn’t about looking good and feeling better, but about doing the actual work of the steps, facing his resentments in Step 4, and building a relationship with a Higher Power that would keep him sober when his willpower couldn’t.

Quick Summary

Deandre M., sober since 1991, explains how working Steps 4 through 9 with his sponsor transformed his recovery from surface-level sobriety to real spiritual change. He emphasizes that AA isn’t a cure for alcoholism—the steps and a relationship with a Higher Power are what keep him sober, and relapse prevention requires staying committed to the program even when life gets comfortable. He challenges the idea that recovery is a choice for those whose disease has progressed, arguing that without the steps and fellowship, many alcoholics will drink again no matter how good their circumstances look.

Episode Summary

Deandre M. came into AA in 1991 weighing 110 pounds, broken and desperate after years of drinking, stealing, and running. He grew up in Watts and learned early that feeling good and looking better was the goal—a lesson that nearly killed him. When he first went to rehab at Warm Springs, he thought those two things *were* recovery. He was wrong.

What changed everything was his sponsor, Dennis L., who didn’t coddle him or dive deep into his childhood wounds. Instead, Dennis told him they were going to work the steps—starting with an inventory. Deandre didn’t want to do it. Step 4 scared him to death because he could see it meant looking honestly at his life without blaming everyone else. It meant facing secrets. So his sponsor made him sit down, read the Big Book together, and do the work. While his friends were out having fun, Deandre was in a car with his sponsor doing assignments. It wasn’t fun. It felt like punishment.

But something shifted. Through those meetings, through consistent work on Steps 4 through 9, through writing down resentments and learning what amends actually meant—not “I’m sorry,” but *change*—Deandre started to see his role in his own life. His sponsor showed him that the obsession to drink wasn’t just a craving; it was a mental condition connected to a physical allergy. And his sponsor tricked him into staying sober by getting him involved in service, helping others, building relationships at his home group. He found a place in AA where he belonged.

Seventeen years later, Deandre carries a clear message: Alcoholics Anonymous is not a cure. The steps are what work. Getting close to a Higher Power is what works. And staying committed to the fellowship—even when you’re tired, even when life is good, even when your plate is full—is what keeps you alive.

He’s seen too many friends relapse. Not when things were bad. When things were *good*. When they got a job, cleaned up their appearance, got back with family. They thought they’d outgrown AA. They thought they could manage it alone now. They went back out and drank.

Deandre is direct about what he believes: if your disease has progressed far enough, you don’t have a choice. You either stay in AA and learn to live sober, or you leave and learn to die drunk. That’s not harsh—that’s honest. The program doesn’t have a revolving door policy, no matter what people say. Relapse isn’t part of recovery; it’s a failure of commitment.

What keeps him sober is being properly armed—armed with the ability to make amends, to admit when he’s wrong, to get on his knees in the morning and ask God to keep him sober. Armed with the fact that circumstances don’t save you; the grace of God does. Armed with knowing that mental blank spots will come, and when they do, his only defense is a Higher Power he’s built a relationship with through the steps.

He travels far to meetings. He works with sponsees. He reads the Big Book. He takes the steps seriously. And he does it because it reminds him he’s a real alcoholic trying to save his own life—not because it feels good, but because it works.

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Notable Quotes

I don’t need feelings or facts to be drinking. All I need is untreated alcoholism and I’m off and running.

Looking good is not a cure for alcoholism. Dressing up a trash can is not a cure for alcoholism.

I need this stuff regardless of what they’re telling me I have to have out there.

Most of us come here wrecked. But a lot of us leave here because it gets real good and we get too many years and we forget about the days we were in when we got here and we go get loaded again.

I’m properly armed with the fact that I do not need to be stimulated all the time, no matter what. I’m properly armed with the fact that circumstances don’t keep me sober. The grace of God does.

If you’re a newcomer, you are going to stay here and learn how to live sober or you are going to leave here and learn how to die drunk.

Key Topics
Step 4 – Resentments & Inventory
Steps 6 & 7 – Character Defects
Steps 8 & 9 – Making Amends
Sponsorship
Step 2 – Higher Power

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Timestamps
00:00Opening and introduction to the meeting in Simi Valley
02:15Speaker announces his sobriety date (May 29, 1991) and 17 years sober
04:30Background growing up in Watts, first experiences with drinking and alcohol
08:45Entry into rehab at Warm Springs and initial misconceptions about recovery
12:00Meeting his sponsor Dennis L. and first discussion about steps, especially Step 4
16:30The fear of Step 4 and beginning inventory work
22:15Building a relationship through sponsorship and how it changed his understanding of AA
28:00Explanation of resentments, character defects, and what amends really means (change, not apology)
35:45Reading from Big Book about mental states that precede relapse
42:30His struggle at 5 years sober, nearly suicidal, and his sponsor’s intervention about priorities
48:00Discussion of relapse as part of recovery narrative and his disagreement with that concept
54:15Reading from “Into Action” chapter and the spiritual life being something to live, not theory
59:30Concept of being “properly armed” with facts about himself and the role of Higher Power
66:00Final reading from Bill’s Story about fellowship and the results of AA

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Topics Covered in This Transcript

  • Step 4 – Resentments & Inventory
  • Steps 6 & 7 – Character Defects
  • Steps 8 & 9 – Making Amends
  • Sponsorship
  • Step 2 – Higher Power

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Welcome to Sober Sunrise, a podcast bringing you AA speaker meetings with stories of experience, strength, and hope from around the world. We bring you several new speakers weekly, so be sure to subscribe. We hope to always remain an ad-free podcast, so if you'd like to help us remain self-supporting, please visit our website at sober-onrise.com.

Whether you join us in the morning or at night, there's nothing better than a sober sunrise. We hope that you enjoy today's speaker. >> My name is Gabri and I'm an alcoholic.

>> Wow. >> Look at here. Oh, we got a >> full house tonight.

Wow. All the people are here. Uh, congratulate.

Hi. >> How are you? >> Good.

How are you? >> Good. Good to see you.

>> Okay. You missed the readings. >> Just kidding.

Uh, good to be sober. Welcome to the new people. A lot of new people here tonight.

It's always good to be in an AA meeting where there are new people. Uh, AA doesn't do very well without the newcomers. Uh, glad you're here tonight.

Uh and and what an honor and a privilege uh to not have to stare at my name misspelled all night. That's going to bother me for ego. Real alcoholic.

My sobriety birthday is May the 29th, 1991. Uh which means I'll be uh celebrating 17 years uh between now and next month if I don't wind up getting loaded. this tricky disease might decide to leave AA after 17 years.

You know, you never know. Gets a little uncomfortable around here. And my sponsor is not perfect.

So, you know, we have to get the heck out of here. I I I am grateful to be sober. I used to live in Semi Valley uh a couple of years ago.

I lived here for about a year. So, uh actually, it's a little less than that. It felt like a year or so.

uh it was a great community. You guys have a beautiful community. It's beautiful here coming over the over in uh out of the Sano Valley and coming down into Semi Valley.

I see they've put this big huge sign up now. It just looks like Seami Valley is just growing uh in its own identity and that's beautiful and uh good to be sober. Uh I want to thank my friends for coming out.

I I brought some friends along with me here. uh people that I'm directly connected uh to one way or another through sponsorship and uh we've been really doing a lot of lot of meetings uh out of our comfort zone which is really nice you know um because what happens is we start realizing that we can live anywhere we want you know with Alcoholics Anonymous as long as AA is allowed we are too and uh when AA isn't allowed I'm not allowed you know and that's how I live my life today by the grace of God uh through the program of Alcoholics Anonymous. My sponsor is Jimmy Moss and my home group is the Hermosa Beach Men's Stag 8:30 on Monday nights at the Hermosa Beach Alano Club and uh I am now the secretary of that meeting.

Uh I started going to that meeting several years ago and I could clearly see that they needed my help. So decided to take over and uh actually it didn't happen that easily. They had to pull my name out of a hat.

You know what I mean for me to become secretary. Anyway, I I was born a poor black child and I just want to get that out of the way. A lot of people are uncomfortable in the meetings and stuff.

And uh I grew up in the Jordan Downs housing projects and Watts, which is quite a ways away from here. But uh I I love living in the projects. I love being from Watts.

I love feeling uh different. Almost get high off of that. Uh the more different I feel, the more um uh hazy it is for me to deal with reality.

And I like to be able to balance all that out with drinking. And uh and I love alcohol. Alcohol is a great persuader for me.

And um I I just remember my mother making alcohol look so darn fun when we were younger. And uh and and she made drinking look recreational. And uh and that's what I thought I was doing when I first started drinking is enjoying myself.

And later on down the line, I saw myself sort of, you know, hanging out with people other than my family. you know, I I I I started drinking with friends and uh those friends turned out to be um uh helpers and uh the destruction uh that went on. Uh these friends of mine were just really uh crazy and we and we used to hang out all night and party and laugh and have a good old time, you know.

Uh, I loved alcohol in the sense that, you know, even when it wasn't a good time, it didn't matter as long as I was going to be able to drink, you know, and that's what kind of an alcoholic I am. I don't need feelings or facts to be drinking. All I need is untreated alcoholism and I'm off and running.

And, you know, part of the insanity of of the first drink for me is to be dishonest about the fact that I'm about to take it. I gotta fake it because by the time I get into alcoholic drinking, everybody in everybody around me knows there's something wrong with my thinking, you know, and I I'm a sloppy drunk. I start fights and argue and then get beat up and leave and run.

And uh and I'm not a barroom drinker. I don't know what that's like. I I hear a lot about that in the meetings.

And uh I'm sure it was just as horrible as my little around the house stealing from my mom drinking. And uh and what happened was, you know, in that community over there, uh we were just taught to um uh feel good and look better, you know, at any cost, you know. And when I first got into rehab, I got chased into a place called Warm Springs Rehabilitation Center.

And I thought the fundamentals of sobriety were looking good and feeling better. If you somehow look good and feel better, then you're recovering. And uh later on through uh pain and a whole lot of discomfort, I realized that I probably needed a little bit more uh for me besides looking good and feeling better.

And so upon leaving that rehab, I went to a place called the Open Door Fellowship Hall. And over there, I met a man named Dennis Lee. And uh Dennis Lee and I had a little meeting after the meeting and I was giving him my interpretation of what AA was about because I had just been the steering committee chairman of Alcoholics Anonymous at the rehab I was in.

So I just needed to go over with him before I would uh allow him to be my sponsor. I needed to go over some of the basic fundamentals of what this program is about. and he proceeded to tell me that it seemed like I knew a lot about steps one, two, and three uh because I had completed those step packets up there.

But he wanted to talk to me about what he knew about steps one, two, and three. And that kind of tripped me out a little bit because I didn't know what he knew about steps one, two, and three, you know. And he told me that he was going to get me started on my inventory.

The inventory. the inventory, you know, and I didn't want to do the inventory, you know, because I had already seen the steps on the wall at Warm Springs and I knew that when I read the first three steps and I saw step four, I knew that meant secrets. I knew that meant the things that I wasn't going to tell anybody.

I knew that those people were not just talking about not drinking when I read that step off the wall. I could see it, you know, and I don't know if anybody in here can relate to that, but step four scared me to death, man. Because I could see that in step four, they don't even mention God in that step.

They just want me to take a look at my sick, sorry, dying ass life. And I don't want to do that. See, cuz what I do with my life is I blame you for it.

I ain't going to do nothing about it, but I can sit and talk to you about my life and explain to you how it's everybody's fault that I'm not taking responsibility for how my life's turned out. So, uh, I had to do a fourth step the way he, uh, showed it to me in this book. And, uh, you know, it was a really scary, uh, thing to do for me.

And I know a lot of people say, you know, don't worry about the fourth step. It's not a big deal. Well, then I don't believe that those people did a very thorough one, quite frankly, you know, and uh my fourth step was very important to me, you know, and um what happened was he read the book with me and we would meet up and he would give me these little assignments and while all my friends were driving off into their cars and having fun and stuff, I had to sit with this fat overweight white man from Florida in his voal and read the big book and read these assignments and AA was not fun for me at that time.

I didn't like it. It didn't feel good, you know. Um but I went ahead and did the work, you know, and uh what happened was through that little meeting with him every week, uh we wound up building a relationship with each other that put a face on Alcoholics Anonymous for me.

And by consistently going to a home group and getting involved with those people over there, I actually found a role in AA where I'm a part of a movement and I'm not just fighting with the first drink, that I'm involved in something that far exceeds whether I'm feeling good or not. uh and this availability that the program opened up for me to be here for other people as well as myself, you know, it's a great feeling to feel apart, you know. And one of the things that he showed me through getting those those uh resentments written down and stuff is eventually it was connected to the part in the program where we have to make amends.

And to me, when I first heard amens, I figured it meant I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Are you sorry?

Hi, my name is DeAndre and I'm sorry. You know, we going we're going to all start identifying as sorry rather than alcoholic. And he showed me the definition of amen.

And it had something to do with change. They don't I'm sorry. The Constitution, they change it when they amend it.

And I didn't want to change because I needed these reservations that would allow me to feel safe in the back of my mind about probably being able to get loaded again one day. My big book tells me that it's a great obsession to be able to somehow someday uh be like these people who don't have this allergic reaction to alcohol, you know. And uh a lot of times I used to think when I was new that the obsession was that feeling that you have when you got to go to the bathroom when you f to get loaded.

And if you're a newcomer that's not what they're talking about. It means something different than that. And uh he showed me through the work cuz my big book says too when we chant it says the idea that we were like other people or presently maybe has to be smashed.

And that carries a lot of depth and weight for me cuz I've been sober for over 10 years and a lot of my friends have gone back out and gotten loaded because um they were doing good. There wasn't a cloud on the horizon. They had cleared up all their court stuff.

Mommy and daddy had started inviting them back into the house. They started smelling like a bar of soap instead of a better fertilizer, you know, and they started looking good and feeling better. And then they went and got loaded, you know.

And I used to think that you had to really put off like a wrecked uh image in AA and then you relapse. And you know what I found out is that most of us come here wrecked. But a lot of us leave here because it gets real good and we get too many years and we forget about the days we were in when we got here and we go get loaded again.

And you talk to anybody that's been here for a little minute and they'll tell you that a lot of their friends don't go back out when it's all bad and miserable. They go back out when it's really really doing good. You know, somebody crawling back in the bed with you, get your hair cut.

I know. I get my hair Mikey cuts my hair every two weeks. I be looking good, boy.

On the outside. And uh that that that dressing up a trash can is not a cure for alcoholism. And so with these stomach steps four through nine, what he allowed me to do is realize that, you know, I'm clogged up, right?

I'm I'm blocked off from being of maximum service to God and my fellows. And so with these fears and these character defects, I really don't have time to be trying to help you because I'm running around trying to arrange life to suit myself cuz I got to hide all of this garbage, you know. And now I'm in aa around these people that know that an inventory is absolutely necessary.

It's one of those weird things we got in AA that we kind of do almost twice, uh, step four and 10. And it's really important to take that self-examination to a to a really honest level. And and you know, with steps four through nine, it's just like, you know, I don't want to do that.

When I got sober, I weighed 110 lbs. My uh old-timer friend at my home group said that if you would have turned me sideways and I would have stuck my tongue out, I look like a zipper. And part of the insanity of being an AA is we do better.

We do better. We do better. We We do better, man.

I even know people that haven't even had to do a lot of step work and they come in here, man, and they drink this truck driver ass coffee and they eat these donuts and smoke up your cigarettes and they look better, man, after 30 days or 30 hours or 30 minutes, you know, they do better. And I'm here to share that doing better is not a cure for alcoholism. You know, I'm here to share that Alcoholics Anonymous is not a cure for alcoholism.

I'm here to share that by taking the steps I get to be able to stay connected to a daily reprieve. Man, this Cinderella story ass disease is constantly on me. And I don't mean that in a fearful uncomfortable manner.

I mean that realistically that in spite of what they're telling me on that job and and all the things my landlord says to me and how the phone people are bargaining with me cuz I got my phone to extend another day and all the all of that stuff can be cashed in at the customer service counter at Walmart so I can go get loaded. See, and I know that all this stuff is on loan today, you know, and I see a lot of people around here trying to take ownership for these things that God is allowing us to use allegedly to help be more of service to God and his children. But we take our toys and we go run off into the hills and we forget about the people that need this help.

See my friends doing that. So basically what happened for me is when I moved to Lancaster and I got involved with the open door, I started realizing that I was a part of a community, you know, and I started realizing that I'm I'm I'm a very sick person, you know, and one of the narcissistic aspects of this disease that I have for me is that, you know, eventually I want to get to a place in my sobriety where I don't need the things that I had to have in the beginning of my sobriety. And I see a lot of my friends doing that, trying to outgrow AA.

See, and moving on. And then they look down back at guys like me that are just having a panel for 15 years as someone who's hiding in AA. I'm hiding in AA because I'm not flying around looking at you guys precariously trying to figure out how better than I am than you are because you're totally committed to Alcoholics Anonymous.

Hope I'm taking somebody's inventory tonight. And what I've learned is that, you know, um I need this stuff regardless of what they're telling me I have to have out there. And through having a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, I'm not afraid of that today.

You know, I go ahead and take the ridicule. I I I mean, you know, the thing is is that a lot of the stuff that I was taught when I was a youngster, especially my concept of God, was given to me by people who had very limited uh information, you know, and they were giving me the best they could with what they had to work with. You know, and I can't blame my mother and them for some of these fears that they passed on to me.

But I am willing to be honest about those fears and not continue to live in them for them. You know, my mother and them, they act like you're supposed to have a certain attitude about life. And I don't think that that's bad.

It's just that I'm bodily and mentally different from my fellows this evening. And it's just a good idea for me to stick with you people to not forget that so easily, you know. And uh you people probably armed me with the facts, you know.

And what I'm sharing is that a lot of this insanity that was going on in my earlier sobriety was just fear of commitment. afraid of being committed to Alcoholic synonymous cuz what am I going to look like? The hole in the donut, you know, the guy that quotes the big book in the meeting instead of holding the meeting hostage with a drunkalogue.

You know, the guy that really is reading the big book with other men and women and getting them through the steps. What a boring life some people believe that is. And I don't agree with that.

you know, you ought to try it. See, he he said that he wanted me to lose myself in service. And I said, Dennis, there's people coming to the meetings talking about how they need to work on themselves, and I don't feel that we're really working on me, you know?

I mean, I got I'm fearful. I got a lot of stuff going on in my head, and I really need you to spend that extra time with me as a sponsor. and he would just tell me, "I'll see you at the noon meeting tomorrow.

Bye." And hang up in my face. Now, I know that a lot of people don't like that kind of sponsorship. They need that really deep, you know, you know.

So, and I think that that's available here, too. But I know how I am, and I know that I'll use anything to manipulate you into believing that I'm the victim. I don't want you to believe that I'm the problem.

If I can convince you that I'm the victim, that we don't really have to get down to the cause and and the conditions about how I'm really the problem. So I I keep you trapped in this sort of victim vortex with my And then you can stay there with me and we can try to do work on me as newcomer after newcomer after newcomer after newcomer just walks by and goes back out there and dies and drinks cuz I got you with me well over a year sober fixing me, you know, and and we don't have we we got so much babysitting going on with all these people that aren't getting in the sponsorship. ship that the sinking ship is is is these new people that don't get the opportunity, you know, and that's what I try to do today is I try to give a newcomer the opportunity to go through the steps, you know, not just go through my character defects and my personality problems, but really get involved with their own recovery by way of taking the 12 steps, you know.

And I know a lot of people don't want to hear about the steps anymore in the meeting sometimes, you know, about having a real sobriety date, you know, and like uh a real working relationship with a sponsor or some sponses, you know, and these meetings have somehow turned into a little entertainment here and there for a lot of people, you know, and I don't come here for entertainment. I come here because of the grace of God. I can't drink tonight.

Got to stay sober. Instead of complaining about it and being all buttth hurt with it, I just try to find a way to live through that. And the best way to do it, man, I think personally for me, is to share that stuff with somebody else, you know, and give them an opportunity to get into this book.

I'm going to read something out of here and and and and keep going here. I'm trying to look at the clock back there, but it looks broken. I'm doing I'm doing really good here.

I want to read something out of this thing here. This is what really uh gets me in the big book. I'm on page 34.

I know everybody's got their books and we're going to read along, right? says, "How then shall we help our readers determine to their own satisfaction whether they are one of us?" The meetings are open. The meetings are open.

The meetings are open. So, the non-alcoholics and the hard drinkers are coming in. Earlier in the book, they describe people who are almost like us.

They're almost like us, man. But they don't need a spiritual experience to stay here. All they need is a dry date.

They can fall in love. They can change scenery or environment and they're done. Some of us are not like that.

Some of us need a spiritual awakening in order to stay here. I'll read further. The experiment of quitting for a period of time will be helpful, but we think we can render even greater service to alcoholic sufferers and perhaps the medical fraternity.

So we shall describe some of the mental states that precede a relapse into drinking for obviously this is the crux of the problem. It says what sort of thinking dominates an alcoholic who repeats time after time the desperate experiment of the first drink. Friends who have reasoned with him after a spree which has brought him to the point of divorce or bankruptcy are mystified when he uh walks directly into a saloon.

Why does he do it? Of what is he thinking? And see, one of the reasons why I couldn't stay sober when I was out there getting drunk is that I didn't know that I couldn't keep myself sober.

You know, I didn't know that. I just thought I was trying to um fulfill this sort of desire to drink that was beyond my mental control. It just makes it a lot easier to steal from my own mother and smoke cigarettes off the ground when I'm lost in that kind of thinking.

It's somewhat psychotic. And I had no idea that it was connected to a physical allergy that I would not stop triggering. I guess I'm talking about alcoholism tonight.

And as a hard drinker, if that's who you may or may not be, you may not have to deal with the reality of all of that. In fact, usually in most cases, we don't really even hear a lot of the reality of all of that, you know. And what captivated me uh in AA after dealing with Dennis was that his textbook example of his drinking and the way he had to do AA this educational variety sort of revealed to him over a period of time that he needed God to stay sober.

And I didn't want to admit that because God automatically meant religion to me. The minute I hear God, I hear the church bells and the preachers and them black ladies singing, you know, and the and all of that, you know, and I don't I don't feel like doing all of that. I'm not going to be going to church, you know.

And uh what happened was he showed me how I could like get closer to my higher power and make a commitment to this program and really be involved with not drinking for real. I mean at work, home and play, you know, really be involved with not just faking it and having this AA face and then going out there and still being the same person. He really tricked me cuz I wasn't here for that.

I wasn't here to get close to God. I wasn't here to be honest about my disease. I was here because the heat was on and I had gotten a little uncomfortable and I had gotten in some trouble, you know, like drinking always caused me.

But it just so happened on May the 28th when I called that rehab and Yolanda told me to get on the van and I got on that van. Uh I've been sober ever since, you know, so far. And I chose the next day as my sobriety date because right before I went into that little building, I picked up a roach off the ground to smoke it, you know, to start my sobriety.

So, I'm not really here through any kind of virtuous like attempt to like clean up and straighten up and fly right. You know, once again, I'm here by the grace of God. I can't rely on myself to keep me sober.

Based on the way they outline how I get trapped in my thinking and how I always wind up drinking, I need something greater than myself to hold me in aa. And I think I found that today, you know, and it doesn't mean I don't have character defects. It doesn't mean I always like being an AA but what it has meant is that I haven't had to leave but sober you know and I want to share with you the highest rank in the program is sobbriety is sober you know and uh the commitments and the speaking and the traveling and going to these meetings and all of this stuff you know it seems like somewhat of a sacrifice and it really is uh to my hidden agenda.

Yeah, cuz if you would have told me to go talk a little bit, round up as many friends as you can, I believe, where you believe in and go and visit other people to try to share with them what you found and we'll give you uh a 40 oz every minute or so that you're there. I would be getting the information on the destination the day before you wanted me to go. But in aa I got an attitude problem.

I need some more tangible results. And God will give me those tangible results if I work with new people. He'll show me how this program is literally changing people.

And you don't have to wait 16 years either. You know, if you're a newcomer, you can start tonight. You can get with somebody that has a working knowledge of these steps in this book and they can join you in discovering more about AA and how you can stay committed.

It's really a beautiful thing to feel apart. And one of the reasons why I was going to kill myself at 5 years sober is I had disenfranchised myself from the people that were saving my life. and I got a second job and I was going to school and I was working two jobs and going to school at the same time and I didn't have time for this aa I was too busy.

My plate was full. And my sponsor cornered me one day and I told him that my plate was full. And he told me that my plate was full of if AA if aa wasn't the main course.

you know that I was once again falling into the thinking that I just read out of this book. I'll read one more thing. It doesn't seem like you guys are afraid of the literature.

I know I have been. This is out of the chapter called into action. And one of the reasons why I don't like this chapter sometimes is because I don't really have a chance to It's kind of like I was talking to Ethan the other day.

Why I don't like math? Because math is somewhat of an exact science, but with uh English and history and stuff, you can kind of embellish it and move it around and stuff. And I like that.

But but with the chapter into action, he says that uh the I'm on page 83. Uh the spiritual life is not a theory. We have to live it.

Um yeah cuz now the people are saying in the meetings that they have a choice that they have a choice on whether they're going to do this or not and that they have chosen to do AA now. And I think that's cool, man. If you get some early intervention, you see a disease, you realize how awful it is as soon as you know you got it, and you choose your recovery.

That's beautiful. But I'm just here to share that some of us, like myself, our disease has be progressed beyond that. When we first come here, we don't have that choice.

It's been taken off the table, you know. So, that far into the steps, uh, they're telling me that this this this this is not a choice, man. If you're a newcomer, I believe that you are going to stay here and learn how to live sober or you are going to leave here and learn how to die drunk.

Now, I know a lot of people don't believe in that. That that's harsh. That's not what they told you when you insign your insurance papers after the rehab.

They have a relapse bonus at one of these other treatment facilities out in the South Bay where if you relapse, they'll only charge you 3,000 on top of the six grand you've already given them. It's kind of a relapse super buy relapse now get one free, you know, and and my and my AA program is not set up like that. We believe that every potential relapse is is it can be a fatal situation.

It's not it's not a joke, you know. And I I heard they were saying now that relapse is a part of recovery. So what do you say to the guy that's been here for almost 17 years since his first meeting?

I got to go get drunk in order to really have some main part of my recovery fulfilled. I don't think so, partner. No, you keep thinking that that's a revolving door.

You know, I use a dictionary today and I have not been to any meetings on the east coast, but I've never been to an AA meeting here on the west side where the meeting hall is covered with a revolving door. There's usually a door knob or a push handle. Get a dictionary, you know.

And I know that a lot of people want to use this imaginary revolving door policy in AA, but it just doesn't exist. It's something that the fellowship made up, I guess, to increase the numbers. And I'm not really here to increase any numbers.

You know, I want to share a message with depth and weight. And AA does cool with like two or three drunks, man. We don't need 2.5 million people for real.

aa can get up and running with two or three guys or gals. And I think when we sit around and try to increase the numbers, I think sometimes we lose the message a little bit. It gets a little diluted.

Watered down a don't be too assertive with these people, you know. And all I'm sharing is that over the past several years, a lot of the stuff that I was telling some of my friends who I wanted them to like me on their way out wasn't a message of depth and weight, you know. And I often tell the story about my friend Brian Beavenon when he died.

He we we weren't talking to him about this stuff in this book. We were trying to get him to the dances so he could feel good about being sober. And going to a dance has never kept me sober.

Taking the steps and going to the dances has allowed me not to wind up drunk after one of them, you know. But, uh, we were telling him all these funny things and he was he had his really pretty girlfriend and all of this stuff, but none of that stuff saved his life. He died.

He's dead. And he was very nice. He was not a mean person that caused trouble in our meetings.

He was a very nice young man. His parents raised him as a kind and loving person. He died drunk.

He got loaded, you know. So, I guess what my my my thing is that after leaving Lancaster and moving here, I came I lived here in Semi Valley. I used to go to the unity uh meeting over here.

And I like that little meeting. It kind of remind me of the room that they had Neo in when they had him pinned down on the table. They were trying to bug him and put that thing in there.

It's just a long room and you look down in there and all these AA people are trying to help each other and it's this long table like King Arthur and everybody's just sitting down. I can envision it right now. And and all these people and there's this little old guy in there and I really like that guy.

He used to share that uh that he tried uh he said if AA was the first thing he really tried and the only thing that worked you know and I and I and I believe that today you know all these other fake attempts at trying to control and enjoy my drinking h uh didn't work man and this program the first thing that I really really tried this program those steps that that time with Dennis Lee, you know, that stuff has paid off, you know, cuz I'm standing here sober, you know, almost 17 years later. And you try to tell that to a new person and they just look at you like you've lost your mind and they hurry up and go find a whole lot of new people that hate your ass. But you know, I was I was talking to one of my grandponses on the way.

Um, where were we going? We were going somewhere. I can't remember.

I didn't take my ginko galoba today, but I was we were we were we were on our way somewhere and we were driving. Oh, we were on our way to the Burbank group last night and he was sitting in the backseat of my car and I was like, I'm going to stop by my house and um change my clothes and then go. And he was like, you live all the way out here.

And I'm like, no, we're not there yet. We got about five more miles. But yeah, cuz I go to meetings in the South Bay, but I live in Glendale.

And um and he couldn't believe that I live that far. And I told him, you know, a lot of my friends used to be amazed by that, but they don't trip off of it anymore, you know, because they're used to it. And uh it's really easy to get used to doing that 10 step to the point where you don't that's why we don't chant at my home group because that chanting kind of takes away the validity of what's actually being read.

It's kind of like when you learn the theme song to the Brady Bunch. you don't really need to say the words anymore. You just sort of hum along because you've heard it so many damn times, you know.

And he was just like it it brought it took me back to like how, you know, it really is cool to be around people that are grateful for Alcoholics Anonymous who know that they are living with unresolved issues, that they don't have all their feelings tagged, they're practicing faith, and they're trying to make it. You know, it's it's really good to be surrounded by people like that, you know, because a lot of the people that take this stuff for granted and get all slothful with it usually wind up not caring about it and they usually just leave it behind like it's just another faulty attempt at trying to manage and control their life, you know? And I just really like my to be ripe.

I want my AA and my sobriety to be like a ripe green apple. Not some job in the hut rotten ass washed up interpretation of how easy I needed to be for me. I'm talking about footwork.

I'm talking about staying involved. And I'm talking like this with over 10 years sober, you know. And uh and I think it's important that we help these new people, you know, I don't care how much money I have.

I think it's important that we help these new people. I don't care how depressed I've been. I don't care that I had to have surgery earlier this year.

I don't care. I don't care. I'd rather be involved with AA and doing this stuff with these people that need these steps, man.

Because it reminds me that I am not a counselor on duty. I'm a real alcoholic. I'm trying to save my own booty.

I'm an alcoholic, man. I ain't got no case load, you know. I need God.

I need the steps. I need the book. I want the meetings.

I'm going to share a little bit about being properly armed. And I'm going to turn the meeting over. Um, when I used to hear that, you know, they say that when the guy is properly armed with facts about himself, he can generally win the, you know, the confidence over from this new guy within a few hours.

And I was trying to figure out if they say that we're surrendered and we are not fighting anymore, then what do we be properly armed with? Why do you need to be properly armed if you ain't fighting no damn? That doesn't make sense to me.

And what I started believing is that, you know, I'm properly armed with the ability to make an amends. I'm properly armed with the ability to admit that I need to be teachable and I need to call my sponsor. I'm properly armed with the fact that I better get on my knees in the morning and ask God to keep me sober and thank him at night.

You know, I'm properly armed with the fact that I'm not always going to feel good about not drinking, just like I didn't always feel good when I was drinking. I'm properly armed with the fact that circumstances don't keep me sober. The grace of God does.

I'm properly armed with the fact that I do not need to be stimulated all the time, no matter what. I'm properly armed with these things. And the reason why I need to be properly armed about this stuff is because there's a part of my sickness that I haven't touched on tonight, and it's called a mental blank spot.

And in the big book, they say that at certain points of time, we will be unable, you know, to have that effective mental defense against that first drink. That defense has got to come from a higher power. Well, if I'm not properly armed with all that stuff that I just uh rambled off and I left quite a bit of it out, if I'm not properly armed with that stuff, I'm not even a real candidate for that grace cuz I'm blocked.

I don't even see the opportunity, you know, to fall into the grace of that power keeping me sober when I got that mental blank spot going. See, so that's why I got to do the prayers. That's why I got to drive all the way to Semi Valley when we make a commitment to come.

That's why I got to answer the phone. That's why I got to get off my butt tomorrow and go to work. You know, that's why I have to be responsible in these relationships and have some real accountability going with my own personal sponsor so I can be properly armed, you know, because this disease does not care about nothing.

In fact, a lot of the friends that I've seen walk out of here, that was their little national anthem. I don't care, you know, and the next thing you know, they're not anywhere around here. So, um, uh, I'll read this one last thing and I'll shut up.

I got one minute left. I don't like referring to the big book so much in the meetings because it offends people who don't read it a lot. I taught a public speaking class in um, Warm Springs while I was in the psych ward.

One of the one of the fundamentals of uh public speaking is to remember who your audience is. And just for the record to let you know, I'm a terrible public speaker because I know who my audience is. And my job as a speaker tonight is to stir you up a little bit, make you a little uncomfortable.

You know, maybe you'll think about some stuff. Maybe you'll put me on that tenth step tonight that you haven't been right. Let me read this last little thing and then I'll sit down.

And it's on page 15 in Bill's story. Bill Wilson is the broke ass stock broker that founded the program. Him and his buddy.

I'm only going to read a little bit down at the bottom. We commence to make many fast friends and a fellowship has grown up among us of which is a wonderful thing to feel apart. The joy of living we really have even under pressure and difficulty.

I have seen hundreds of families set their feet in a path that really goes somewhere. Have seen the most impossible domestic situations right feuds and bitterness of all sorts wiped out. I've seen men come out of asylums, rehab perhaps um and resume a vital place in the lives of their families and communities.

Uh business and professional men have regained their standing. There is scarcely any form of trouble and misery which has not been overcome among us. That is a very powerful statement.

If you are a newcomer, we know that you think you know what we know about what you think you know. But we suggest that you stay around here anyway and take our steps and watch your own friends grow. people around you will change and they will do aa man and it'll make you get off your rusty butt and do it too, you know, or just keep doing what you're used to doing and uh don't take any of this information home with you at all.

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